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Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 7428	Posted - 2014.08.01 18:58:00 - [1] - Quote Chewytowel Haklar wrote: I am essentially too late to the game. No you aren't too late, because with the attitude you've displayed every time you've posted, you could have started on May 1st 2003 and you still would have failed. That may sound harsh, but it's true, you don't seem to have what it takes mentally. The starkest evidence of this is that you took the time to write all that crap when you could have spent the same amount of time figuring out what your goals are and how to overcome the barriers in your way of achieving those goals....like a real EVE player would. No one who blames others (or the game) for their failures has ever or will ever succeed in EVE Online. And it is in real life as it is in EVE.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 7430	Posted - 2014.08.01 19:17:00 - [2] - Quote Skydell wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: TL;DR OP doesn't have the patience it takes to play this game. It's less about patience, more about how much time you are willing to sink in to the game. Most people won't 'matter' in EVE. It has little to do with when they joined. They just can't wrap their head around the EVE concept. It's an on call job, 23/7 for people who 'matter'. For people like the OP, they look at end game and decide they want nothing to do with that and see anything else the game has to offer as servitude to end game. I'm guilty of this thinking myself at time. It's a hard bug to shake. Having that kind of 'bug' is the problem. NO ONE matters in EVE (except Chribba, he's the man), EVE is what you make it for yourself. That's the beauty of EVE as opposed to the rest of the MMO world that lies to you and tells you you are a special heroic snowflake. I've been in alliances and other kinds of groups, I've never once been or seen myself as someone elses *****. The alliance (and the alliance's 'boss') got someone to shoot stuff for them, and I got access to all manner of enjoyable things that I either would not have had other wise or would have had to 'ninja' to get. Fair Trade is not exploitation. The problem is the 'soloer' mind set is that it views cooperation (which is necessary to achieve higher goals) as subjugation. It's not.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 7430	Posted - 2014.08.01 19:18:00 - [3] - Quote Wendrika Hydreiga wrote: I think your mistaken. EVE is about the goals you make for yourself, and the people you meet along the way. I want to pilot a Nestor, and that's simple. Skill up, save ISK and LP, and I can pilot it. Others want to out wit and out ship others, and scour the game for "good fights" just for that. A few join Faction War for a more refined reason to kill others. A few industrialists mine because they want to arm the PvPers for the quest for "good fights and make some ISK out of it. You want power. And you have no idea how to get it in EVE. Worst than that, you think power comes from being part of sovereignty and just sit on laurels you clearly haven't fought to deserve. Well, I'm five months in, on an alt and *having a good time*. Pity you couldn't find something to strive for. At least the others have your stuff? I'm good though. Real EVE player detected.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 7436	Posted - 2014.08.01 20:50:00 - [4] - Quote NIFTYGetAtMe wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Chewytowel Haklar wrote: I am essentially too late to the game. No you aren't too late, because with the attitude you've displayed every time you've posted, you could have started on May 1st 2003 and you still would have failed. That may sound harsh, but it's true, you don't seem to have what it takes mentally. The starkest evidence of this is that you took the time to write all that crap when you could have spent the same amount of time figuring out what your goals are and how to overcome the barriers in your way of achieving those goals....like a real EVE player would. No one who blames others (or the game) for their failures has ever or will ever succeed in EVE Online. And it is in real life as it is in EVE. Yeah yeah, OP no patience blah blah blah, sorry I have to jump in at this. If there is a phrase you should never EVER structure at any point in your entire life, it is "And it is in real life as it is in (videogame)" No matter how you much you want it to be true, how much you justify it or how hard you defend it, it is literally NEVER true. Real life and videogames are 100% separated and comparing IRL trends/events to simulated trends/events is a grievous offense to humanity. Please separate videogames from life and see them only for what they are: entertainment. rant over. Nonsense. I'm talking about the 'loser attitude'. It has the same consequneces in a sandbox game as it does in real life. You lose.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 7473	Posted - 2014.08.04 15:54:00 - [5] - Quote iovi Hashur wrote: DJentropy Ovaert wrote: iovi Hashur wrote: Not talking about serious PvP here. Real PvPers know what i mean (Wow hold your horses there hi-sec camper. You dont do pvp). These are the players WHO cannot set a goal... rofl you just said "Real PVPers" lmao Real pvp = a player engages in combat with another player. PVP = player vs. player. When a player shoots at another player, it's quite real :) Stop applying your own personal feelings to terms with clear definitions. If you log into EVE, chances are you are engaging in some form of PVP at almost all times, and simply because you don't like some of those forms does not make them less "real" then the ones you do like. Personally, I find null sec sov grinding boring as hell, wormholes a pain in my ass, and factional warfare just broken and silly. I find roaming around and ganking everything that I can possibly gank in high-sec to be epic fun and much lol. Chances are, we don't agree on this - but this does not make the PVP that either of us engage in less "real" then the other. Ok first let me make this clear. I'm writing here in the forum, so that we can make a constructive debate. Not poke each others eye. About real pvp...I'll give you an example so that you understand my point of view. My biggest loss so far was a t1 industrial carrying about 500 mill in route from amarr to jita. This happened when i played a little over a month(char age matters, you will see what i mean) So i jump in an 0.6 system, i see many ships around wait for a few seconds (still gate cloacked) and then i press jump button towards the next gate. As soon as this happens i get a concord mail (i still see my ship intact). 2-3 secs later im in my pod. So a Vexor has one shot me. Why is this not PvP: a) I had no chance to react (no skills/mods would make any difference). And before you say cloak, neither had the skills at that time (45 days old char) and even if i did, you know that when there are like 15 ships + MTUs+drones+containers you cant really cloak. So in other words this is not PvP. It's player vs game mechanics. b) You probably know too well that some ships can lock in 1-2 secs. Within that time a t1 industrial cant go back 12km to previous gate or align and warp. I'm not even gonna get into fitting ship in a different way. cause tbh with my skills at the time the result would be the same. So in other words this was not Player vs Player. It was Player vs "Hope i warp before i get concorded" and the guy literally had the time to make wreck free for all...and warp away!! Now if you wanna gank miners..By all means. They have d scan, can be aligned etc etc. Different story As for the waiting times . I understand what you are saying. I have other stuff i can do till skills train, cause i had to learn about that at some point. About the activities scaling with sp.. Yeah you can manufacture just with minimum lvls. T2s. not gonna talk about T3. Or invention times (i mean industry as a whole not just manufacturing). And i still cant find a reason why skills like Frigate construction aren't needed for T1 as well?? That would be scaling. That's what i mean People who make distinctions about pvp like you do tend to be the e-honor types who thinks 'pvp = fair fight'. Player v player means one human player did something to another human player. End of story. they fact that you don't like it or didn't consent to it or didn't mean to pvp is irrelevant in the extreme. It also doesn't matter in the least what your skills were. The who idea of "It wasn't pvp because I couldn't cloak" is so ridiculous it's not even funny. For some reason, some people need to make all these distinctions about pvp to make themselves feel better about the fact that they got out played by someone in a video game. I had it happen to me years ago as a kid in a video arcade playing this game, a dude told me i didn't real win (despite the fact that I got to continue playing while he had to fish in his pockets for more quarters if he wanted to keep playing). The reason i wasn't really playing? Because i kept using this move (that he din't know how to counter, it seems like for some Street Fighter player, jumping over stuff was hard) rather than walking up to him (where he could hit me) and honorably kung-fuing it out. He got real mad when I pointed out that he was the one fishing for another quarter, not me. Almost fighting mad. Thought I was gonna have to Hadouken his ass for real for a minute there

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